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(You can virtually do your entire research paper from my site alone!) Well, ok... since I've put up this site I've gotten more than a few emails and inquiries from folks claiming to be doing "research" on necrophilia. Now, common sense suggests that most of these inquiries are from individuals who are still a bit shy and are hiding why they even came here. But sometimes I sense by nature of their inquiry that some could be legitimate. So it is for those folks that I've put together this "research" area.* WHAT THIS RESEARCH AREA IS ALL ABOUT In
my five plus years on the net exploring sexual kinks and fantasies I
have collected some basic information that you may find helpful.
As you already know there is jack squat on the net concerning anything
scientific about necrophilia, or any other sexual deviation, with any
great detail. And even in the libraries of real life there is
nothing, unless maybe buried in some psych-related university
library. But even at that, everthing I have read on sexual
deviations or dysfunctions (nice terms, huh?) relates only to those
situations where persons have become obsessed. So what about the rest
of us who are not serial killers? I'm here to tell all you psych
wannabe's that for the small percentage of people that require
counseling for obsessive sexual matters there's a whole world out there
of folks with just plain fantasies. It's the fantasies that make
us truly who were are as individuals... fantasies of success, love,
money, everything. In a country that's so hung up on repressing
it's own sexuality it's no surprise we have so many folks afraid of
their own sexuality. So as you do your research, report not on
sexual deviations or dysfunctions, but rather report on the fantasies
that makes us who we are.
For the purposes of this site I go by my pen name, Robert Trular, and I reserve all copyrights under that name as it relates to the content of this website. You are free to re-produce any of the content on my site (providing it does not violate the copyright of others) and reference my site as a source for your research. Even though I am degreed in the Behavioral Sciences I am not a certified psych professional; my opinions, comments, and observations are based on academic and experiencial learning. ABOUT THE CASE
STUDIES
Actually, they are not really case studies in the sense that I am formulating some hypothesis or setting some scientific opinion. They are really a collection of a few of the life stories real people (mostly women) have shared with me on the net regarding their feelings. Some are long, others are one sentence. Some are related to necrophilia, other sexual interests, fantasies, or real life traumas. I have delicately tried to mask identities of these persons not only because of their individual privacy but because some are friends of mine. I have also masked geographical locations unless I feel the geographical location seems to be an issue. You as the reader/researcher can make from these cases what you will. The Internet is far more eye-opening than any psychiatrist's couch. DEMOGRAPHICS - CASE STUDIES - While there are many in the world with necro/sleepysex fantasies the nature of the interest is such that to experience it in real life there must exist the opportunity to do so. For example, your job may put you in contact with dead bodies, or some event presents itself that allows you "access". The next few cases illustrate this. CASE #1
CASE #2 Another
such case of having an opportunity because of the
job was a young man in his 20's I chatted with who was from
Brazil. He said he was a morgue attendent and his particular
interest was dead males. According to him he would fondle and
even perform orally on his "customers". He said he especially
enjoyed dead men with larger organs.
CASE #3 A
girl from Singapore told me she worked in a hospital
morgue. When I asked her why she was in a necro chat room she
told me she was trying to undertand her feelings better regarding her
desire to be dead herself. She imagined herself being dead and
guys having sex with her dead body. She told me she walked into
the morgue once and found another assistant having sex with a dead
female and somehow that aroused her.
CASE #4 Sometimes
you have to wonder if someone isn't just hosing
you because common sense suggests what they are saying is highly
suspect. I talked with one guy from England who said him and his
buddy dug up a few corpses for kicks. Apparently the cemetary was
relatively remote. While most were disgustingly rotted he did say
he dug up a girl he knew once by himself that had just been
buried. I guess she was kinda heavyset... not much to look at,
according to him. But when he dug her up he had sex with her
body. He told me she was very cold and very tight. Then he
re-buried her.
(Note: In my three years on the net this was the only story told to me of actual grave digging.)
Rape and sexual assault is sadly a very common story on the net. Women are left to deal with these traumatic events and their minds do various things as the mental survival mechansims take over. From the obesssive to the depressed, sexual fantasies are sometimes a major part of their minds looking to cope. And after years of coping the damage is great. One interesting thing about many manic depressives is that they exhibit high intelligence and can be very articulate and artistically expressive. These next few cases are typical examples. CASE #5 Betty was from New Orleans S&M)
anand in her mid 30's when I first
started chatting with her. Her particular interest was in
domination/submission (D/s, as it's commonly referred to).. both the
lifestyle and sexually. She was married and had a teenage
son. She told me a revealing personal story of how she grew up in
rural Louisiana in the 70's. Her father was very abusive toward
her mother, even sexually and this was not hidden from her as a
child. Her father would leave home for long periods and her
mother had a difficult time keeping employed and making ends
meet. Her mother's boyfriends would stop by and it usually meant
sex.. and she witnessed must of what went on. As a pre-teen one
of her mother's boyfriends took a sexual interest in her and forced
himself on her. That led to numerous later encounters. As
you would expect this traumatized Betty to no end. Apparently her
mother got the idea when Betty was 15 to sell her daughter to this
ex-boyfriend for some cash. So Betty was brought into the world
of sexual submission (bondage and mental
abuse. Hard
to imagine white slavery as happening in this country, harder yet to
believe it as late as the 70's (and perhaps still going on for all I
know).
She got
pregnant very early in her life but raised her
son
all by herself. When Betty graduated from high school sheer
determination and stamina made her complete college... the threats and
sexual assaults were gone but the effects lingered. She told me
she drifted to cutting (her wrists) for a time and some other pain
inducing things to help fight the depression. She always guarded
her son and never abused him. As an adult she married a guy who
turned out being abusive, emotionally and physically. She
divorced him and married a second time... but not for love.. just
security. It was a sex-less marriage, according to her. But
she managed to have sex on the outside frequently... even with her
boss. She took sex as a completely separate entity from love...
total separation for her. She even invited me down to have sex
with her (no, I didn't accept).
Betty gravitated to Internet chats in order to extend the fantasies of domination/submission and S&M... and take part in active on-line role play.
CASE #6 Mary was 15 when she was apparently
date raped.. twice, by
the same guy, on two separate occasions. It was always hard
trying to get Mary to open up more about this earlier time. From
what I could tell she may have not had the parental attention or
guidence, or encouragement, she needed while growing up. So I
think this added to the greater problem later. It seems she
started going out with this guy about a year older than her and of
course being a male teen he wanted to push the issue of sex in the
relationship. It appears that Mary surrendered to his forced
advances one day to a point where she said "no" yet did little to fight
him off. Not that "no" to her meant "yes".. but she was in that
point of thought where she didn't want to turn him away and felt he
might leave her. To this day she is unsure if the act was even
completed. The second time she was with him and some of his
friends. They (him and his friends) were drinking and he forced
her onto a couch and raped her in front of them.. this time completing
the act... because she ended up pregnant. So now she has that
trauma to deal with.
Being from rural Texas and young
she was fairly naive about
a fair amount of things in life and seemed to give considerable trust
to those around her, suggesting perhaps a self-esteem issue prior to
the rapes. She was never sure she was pregnant.. I believe
partially because of the fear of embarrassment and parental
repercussions. She ignored her body changes for the most part and
at one point did confront her boyfriend's mother to see if her sudden
weight gain could be because she might be pregnant. The boy's
mother denied any pregnancy could be possible and probably more due to
nerves, etc., so Mary told me. Even her boyfriend, quite
understandably, said there was no way she could be pregnant. So
to her she had these "authority" figures telling her what she was
feeling was simply the flu or something. Now one would think
sooner or later it would become obvious to one and all as she
progressed along. This is where her story gets quite
incredible. She claims to have been able to not show all that
much (I've heard there are women who can show very little).. and her
nature was to wear loose fitting clothing anyway. So she just
went along ignoring all the signs.
One day when she was alone at home
she got severe pains and
went into the bathroom. She noticed blood and as she was writhing
on the floor in pain she noticed the baby's head starting to come
out. She apparently slid into the bath tub, perhaps as some
makeshift containment for the blood. All during this she is
crying out in pain, as one could well imagine. She turned on the
faucet for warm water to perhaps wash the blood away, relieve some
pain, she wasn't sure. At that point she recalls blacking
out. When she became conscious again there was water in the tub
and baby was fully out... staring up at her from under the water.
At this point she said she took baby out of the tub and in her own way
tried to get him (yes a baby boy) breathing... but to no avail.
Who knows how much time passed. Apparently following the discharge of the afterbirth she started cleaning up the bathroom before her folks got home. She put the baby's remains into a plastic garbage bag, walked across the road, and tossed it into the woods.
I started talking to Mary when she
visited #Sleepysex on IRC
one evening. This was nearly four years later. It was
apparent she was exibiting the signs of severe depression; she had a
history of cutting her hands, and even swallowing the contents of those
silica gel bags that are packed with electronic equipment you buy in a
store, to relieve the pain of her bouts with depression. She
became a relative recluse.. no close friends. She turned to music
and began writing her own lyrics, which of course reflected her dark
moods. And, she had developed the typical increase in sexual
desire, probably also as a mental defense mechanism to cope with the
depression. The guilt of everything must have been huge for
her... the tragedy of the event so traumatic. CASE #7 Julie
was from New York City and very much into the D/s game
when I ran into her in a chat room one day. What appealed to me
about her, as with many of the others, was her apparent intelligence
and ability to type a grammatically correct sentence... and she showed
some level of compassion, after all she was a nurse by
occupation. She was in her mid 30's. To this day she
remains one of the most "adventurous" and avid real life sexual fantasy
role players I have ever met... albeit foolish.
Her story starts shortly after she got married... she was in her early twenties. While leaving a grocery store (in broad daylight) some guy came up to her and helped her put her stuff into her trunk.. then promptly put her into it as well. He drove her car with her in the trunk to some wooded area where he took her out and forced her to the ground, removing her clothes he proceeded to strike her about her exposed body with a branch or twig... touching her forcefully and getting ready to rape her. Then the cops showed up. Apparently this guy was a bagger at the grocery so he was easy to spot... also some people saw what he did in the parking lot... and add to that the security cameras... not a swift character to be sure. So she was easy to track by her car and the cops came to the rescue before she was hurt any more. Now
had you read this story in the local newspaper you'd
think little of it other than to think the vicitm was lucky she didn't
get raped and/or killed. Well, Julie had multiple orgasms during
the encounter. That's right... the excitement, the fear, the
impending doom... the adrenalin rush, was a huge sexual turn on for
her. Turns out her and hubby were pretty much into D/s and
S&M sexual play so an event like this really happening was quite a
thing to her. Seems her assailant ended up going to jail... and
she ended up visiting him a few times apparently developing some bond
and understanding.
Now we fast forward a few years. She has a child now.. a daughter, early teens. By the time I met Julie hubby had gotten cancer and after a long struggle he passed away leaving Julie emotionally drained, heartbroken, and in sexual need. She had turned to the Internet to vicariously live out her sexual fantasies. This was in the early years of net chats. She met a guy on line who shared her interest. They grew closer and sexually fonder. That's not really anything new of and by itself. But she came up with this idea to try and repeat the assault event of years earlier. But to make it real, her attacker... or attackers... should be unknown to her and attack her by surprise; no preset time. This guy on the net, unknown to her save for his first name, arranged with two other accomplices to break into her home one evening when her daughter wasn't home, and kidnap her. Which they did (she told them where she hid a key to get in). What followed was three days of sexual abuse... being tied up, orally taken.. anally taken... vaginally taken.. repeatedly by all three guys. She was blindfolded all the time so she could never recognize them. She said the sexual high was tremendous... and continuous. After
she "recovered" she visited the net once again.. and
after a month or so was still chatting with the mystery guy. The
chat drifted to "Wanna try that again?" apparently. She wasn't
sure. But that didn't matter. The guys came to her house
again.. this time daughter and housekeeper were home and they got tied
up. She was again taken and abused for a few days while the cops
were searching for them. When they released her she could tell
the cops nothing since she was blindfolded and didn't see anything or
anyone. But that event, while unexpected, was so sexually
superior to anything prior, she said. But it did scare her as far
as her daughter goes... and then shortly after she did get some psych
help. Our last chat she told me she was waiting the year before
engaging in any sex to make sure she was clear of any HIV... she really
never knew her attackers or where they came from and was now to her
senses enough to be fearful of what she had done.
CASE #8 Jane is unique in so many ways. Her and I
go back to
when I first poked my head into the Internet over three years
ago. Over the months and years we grew close in a different kind
of way... not romantic (she fought off all overtures of that) but a
kind of sexual intimacy only, limited to our typed words on the
screen. Part of her uniqueness has been her ability to keep
private from me her personal life (that in itself is amazing... since
over the years I have tried every "trick" I could think of to get her
to reveal more of herself). I never could penetrate that aspect
of her being and while I know much about her sexual interests I know
basically so little of her personally (hell, I don't even have her
email address!). What I do know is that she lives in a southern
state, is oveer 30 years old, married, over 10 years at least... very
elusive about having any kids although I have a suspicion she does
not. She's had some psych counseling in the past but I'm not sure
why. She enjoys reading (loves the old detective magazines of the
70's/80's) and writing, although she has never shared with me any or
her writings. She also has very intense feelings about being a
murdered and sexually abused corpse.
Anyway... here is her story. Jane had
a good friend,
also named Jane... married, 20 years old. One day when her friend
dashed off to the store to get some last minute things for dinner she
was abducted by knifepoint from the parking lot. Later her friend
turned up missing and after four days her naked body was found laying
on its front, face turned to the side, up on a wooded hill some
distance from a road. Jane described dead Jane as as having an
athletic body (being an avid swimmer), full breasts, 5'9", 130-140
lbs., tan lines, blonde hair with a streak, blue eyes; long legs and
firm thighs; sweet looking. The autopsy revealed she had been
strangled with her own bra and raped in all orifaces. Of
particular note, and of interest to Jane as well, was that it was
obvious that the murderer was anally raping her while strangling her
based on the trauma to the anus and rectum. There were two bite
marks; one on the lower left breast and the other in the front of her
left thigh. Semen was recovered from her back in her throat,
vagina, and rectum. It was surmised by the law that she was
abducted and still alive when she arrived at that location; the
murderer performing the rape/murder right there. Jane admitted to
having necro-related fantasies since childhood but this event further
enhanced her fantasies and her and I spent many chat hours speculating
and re-living what her friend might have expereienced in those final
minutes.
Jane's own sexual fantasies would
include her imagining she
were such a rape/murder victim. For example, we would discuss
about how her friend may have been in pain and anguish as the bra
tightened around her neck.. while the "animal" was penetrating her
anally... how her anus, constricting uncontrollably with her fear,
literally milked the murderer's penis as she gasped her last breath...
and how her face may have filled with fear.. knowing she was going to
die and this stranger was filling her sexually. We would talk
about how the dead body laid exposed to the elements for 4 days, yet
showed only subtle signs of decomposition (open casket funeral)... even
down to the graphic discussion of insects crawling on various areas of
her corpse; her upturned anus... her tongue protruding from her open
mouth. We would talk about her full breasts pushed into the
ground... her ravaged and filled vagina attracting insects. Jane,
after all, had some insight into all this.. she had seen the crime
scene photos... and supposedly she later married one of the cops who
showed up at the scene.
Then we'd
talk about the young boys finding the body... the
cops showing up and what those men must have thought looking at the
pretty and sexy body of her dead friend... a "dead piece of female
meat", she would say, laying exposed in the grass. And how
the medical examiner probed the body at the scene.. taking pics.
Then the cops lifting her and watching the breasts dangle and jiggle...
the thighs ripple as they put the corpse on the stretcher, covered by
only a sheet... her dead nipples showing through. We would talk
about the body, dead on the examining table... fluids still leaking
from her orifaces... breasts, nipples, being touched and probed...
turned and tossed limply... the once beautiful body "mutilated"
in the name of forensic science. Jane empathisized with all
this.. imagining herself as her friend.
For years after her friend's death she would
return to the
crime scene many times.. and especially to the vault in the mauseleum
where the other "Jane" was interred. Rubbing herself... touching
the walls as if to "meld" with her friend's essence. At one point
Jane said, while alone in the mauseleum, she pushed her own bare
breasts against the wall where her friend was, trying to get close..
thinking a connection to transfer some some empathic energy existed...
and using her intense sexual feelings... and feelings of sincere love
and compassion... to try and communicate.
I should point out here that my friend, Jane, was not some incoherent nut. We had many chats about all kinds of non-sexual subjects. And she is very well-read and articulate... even a nice dry sense of humor.
EPILOG Because Jane has been a relative
mystery to me regarding her
personal life I'd thought I'd include some speculation based on my
years chatting with her. Please keep in mind I am NOT a psych
professional by any stretch of the imagination... but being around
folks has taught me a few things. If anyone reading this would
care to speculate as well please feel free to drop me an email.
Trying to
understand where Jane is coming from is like piecing together elements
of a mystery. Many folks with traumatic pasts and emotional
problems I've chatted with do end up sharing their life stories to some
extent, either verbally or in written form. And for as close as
Jane and I have gotten in net chats she has kept me away from the real
issues and demons that plague her mind. So all I can do is
speculate based on little comments or nuances in our chats over the
years.
In the beginning Jane
indicated to me that she had undergone
some psych counseling using an approach which she found valuable
called, "Transpersonal Humanistic Psychology"... commenting how some
psych docs prefer to favor using drugs instead. I guess by nature
of that remark one could speculate she has been under some psych care
in the past and was prescribed drugs. She told me once that if
the therapy hadn't helped she might not be around today. I took
from that remark that her past must have really been traumatic.
When I asked what her therapy was for she simply indicated is was for
her "fantasies and other issues".
During times of personal reflection she would
share how she
has resolved in her own mind that she will never attain total happiness
or peace... her sexual emotions are intense and powerful... deals with
immense pain and hurt daily... and that she lost trust or hope long
ago. I can guess by this that her loss of trust could suggest
signs of family abuse at a young age.. someone she trusted and
respected at one time. A hint at this is that one time she did
acknowledge she had suffered abuse in real life. The fact she
indicated her necro thoughts were from a young age could suggest those
thoughts started as a result of the early abuse. While guys (like
me) can be "born" into certain sexual interests I have found women seem
to develop extreme sexual interests along the way, many times as the
result of some life trauma or experience.
Another element that may
support the early childhood abuse
by an authority figure.. and I hate to sound stereotypic but my
experience on the net supports this idea... she is from the rural
South. Her friend, "Jane", was married at 20, or earlier, which
tends to be more common in the South.. and along the rural Eastern
mountain range there tends to be more "inter-family" abuse. Of
course, I may be totally off base here... but only Jane can confirm or
deny this.
As time went on we chatted much
about her sexual fantasies
and how intense they can sometimes be for her. She gravitated to
the net and somehow managed to have some "bad" experiences on
line. From that I can only assume that some guy or guys may have
wanted a bit more from her emotionally than she was willing to give and
things may have gotten nasty. So by the time I came along her
defenses were up and she closed down to some degree.
But, the bottom line... I think Jane became depressive enough over the years to be treated professionally (sometimes with success, sometimes not). Symptoms of this are her enhanced sexual emotions, relative interest in maintaining her privacy, and her fragmented comments over the years suggesting abuse, and admitted therapy... and noticable attempts to maintain emotional control with systematic "schedules" for coping as the feelings emerged, probably suggested by her therapy.
Jane has been, and
continues to be, a good friend.
There's not a lot of sharing of personal issues betweeen us; it's more
like we understand each other through our fantasies. Over the
years I truly wished I could have helped her more if I only knew
more. But we've helped each other in some ways. Hopefully
I've given her confidence that not every guy on the net is a nutcase
and to that end I believe she has entrusted me with much information
she has not shared before to others. She has been a staunch
advocate on keeping my site here going and it was at her urging that I
include her story and my remarks as a case study. Maybe that in
itself says something. Thanks, Jane, I hope I haven't
disappointed you. :)
Sometimes necro or sleepysex fantasies
can take on other
strange and unexpected slants. One is being the victim of some
dramatic, or traumatic event. Sometimes it's linked to sex, and
sometimes not. I'm not sure if these folks found compatiable
partners in which to share... but one never knows. A common
thread in all this seems to be a surrendering of "control"; sexual
fantasies sometimes take a form of something totally opposite a person
can be in real life.
CASE #9 I ran into a college co-ed from
Georgia who fants about
being struck by a car and the driver of the assaulting vehicle proceeds
to have sex with her body as she fades away into death... his orgasm
being the last conscious thing she feels.
CASE #10 On a similar note, there
was a mid aged woman from Iowa who
simply wanted to be blown up.. I mean, mangled, crushed, etc. No
sex involved in her fantasy.
An Interview with Karen Greenlee By Jim Morton Karen Greenlee is a necrophiliac. Five years ago she made national headlines when she drove off in a hearse and wasn't heard from for two days. Instead of delivering the body to the cemetery she decided to spend some time alone with the corpse. Eventually, the police found her in the next county, overdosed on codeine Tylenol. She was charged with illegally driving a hearse and interfering with the burial (there is no law in California against necrophilia). In the casket with the body Karen left a four-and-a-half page letter confessing to amorous episodes with between twenty to forty dead men. The letter was filled with remorse over her sexual desires: "Why do I do it? Why? Why? Fear of love, relationships. No romance ever hurt like this ... It's the pits. I'm a morgue rat. This is my rathole, perhaps my grave." The letter proved to be her downfall. For stealing the body and the hearse, she got eleven days in jail, a $255 fine, and was placed on two years probation with medical treatment recommended. Meanwhile, the mother of the dead man sued, claiming the incident scarred her psyche. She asked for $1 million, but settled for $117, 000 in general and punitive damages. The press had a field day, the lawyers
got rich, and Karen
lost her career and source of sexual satisfaction. Karen is now more
comfortable with her sexuality. "When I wrote that letter I was still
listening to society. Everyone said necrophilia was wrong, so I must be
doing something wrong. But the more people tried to convince me I was
The following interview was held in
Karen's apartment, a
small studio filled with books, necrophilic drawings and satanic
adornments.
<> ------------- <>Back
during the trial, from what I read in the newspapers,
it seemed like you got very
little support.
<>No, none whatsoever. The newspapers were the worst. To this day I hate reporters. One of them even compared me to Richard Trenton Chase, "The Vampire Killer!" What support there was was like family obligations. One of my brothers refused to have anything to do with me. He said, "I just want to remember her as she was." He came up to me later and apologized, but he still isn't comfortable around me. My other brother was more supportive, but even he had to ask, "How'd you do it?" Before the trial I had a boyfriend who found out abut it. He got mad and slapped me around. He said I wasn't even a woman and I could go fuck my dead bodies. I was surprised. He knew! Apparently a lot of people knew and I don't know how they knew. With guys, they always felt I went for the bodies because I was hard up, and if I went to bed with them then that would change me and they would be the one who would give me such satisfaction I wouldn't need those old corpses anymore. I've run into that a lot. Sometimes I had guys come on to me for just that reason. <>The
question I am most often asked is, "How does she do it?"
<>Yes, that's the question! People ask questions like that-- even people who seem pretty cool, seem to have open minds-- then when you tell them, they say, "That's very interesting," then don't want to have much to do with me. I don't mind telling people how I do it. It doesnUt matter to me, but anyone adept sexually shouldn't have to ask. People have this misconception that there has to be penetration for sexual gratification, which is bull! The most sensitive part of a woman is the front area anyway and that is what needs to be stimulated. Besides, there are different aspects of sexual expression: touchy-feely, 69, even holding hands. That body is just lying there, but it has what it takes to make me happy. The cold, the aura of death, the smell of death, the funereal surroundings, it all contributes. <>The smell
of death?
<>Sure, I find the odor of death very erotic. There are death odors and there are death odors. Now you get your body that's been floating in the bay for two weeks, or a burn victim, that doesn't attract me much, but a freshly embalmed corpse is something else. There is also this attraction to blood. When you're on top of a body it tends to purge blood out of its mouth, while you're making passionate love .. You'd have to be there, I guess. <>Of
course, with all the AIDS going around ...
<>That's the reason I haven't tried anything lately. I'm sure I'd have found a way to get into one of those funeral homes by now, but the group I find attractive-- young men in their twenties-- are the ones who are dying of AIDS. <> <><>Did you usually attend the funerals of your corpse-lovers? <>Yeah. It was convenient working in the funeral homes. I'd get to drive out to the cemetery with the family. I'd get to mourn right along with the family at the loss of that loved one. Except I was groaning in a little different tone! People can't really tell if you're grief stricken or passion-stricken. I've had members of the families put their <> arms around me and say, "We're so glad you could come!" Then you have to spin this big old yarn, "Yeah, I knew him in school...." If the guy didn't have a girlfriend in life they think you were ... "Oh, she's the one!" <> <><>You weren't in Sacramento at the time of the trial, were you? <>No, I was working in a funeral home in another city and going to school at the same time. It's weird, but the day I got a telegram about the trial telling me to get in touch with my attorney, I went in to the funeral home and was fired for things I had done at that funeral home. Somebody, I guess, got wise of me. I know I wasn't seen, but I <> think somebody just figured it out. Of course, they didn't know about Sacramento yet. They found out later! The same day, within five hours of each other, two totally different things caught up with me. I worked in that funeral home for almost a year. That's where I did a lot of my extracurricular activities. I had keys so I'd slip back in after hours and spend all night there. A guy lived at the funeral home in an apartment downstairs. He drank so he usually passed out. He had a .357 magnum under his pillow. The guy that court case was about-- <>John
Mercure?
<>Yeah. I understand he was moved out of the cemetery after the trial. That happened at the time I was breaking into this funeral homes. There was a side room, one of those arrangement areas, where they always have their case folders out. I read there was an exhumation order for John Mercure. Then I read something in the paper about it. His mother wanted the body exhumed, said she wouldn't bury her cat there. On the day he was suppose to be exhumed I snuck out into a field across from where he was buried. I sat out in the field and watched them dig up the body and give him to this other mortician. They shipped him back to Michigan. <>When did
you first become aware of your necrophilia?
<>It's something I've been attracted to all my life. I used to hold funeral services for my pets when they died. Had a little pet graveyard. I lived in a small town and the fireman's barbecue was next door to the funeral home. To go to the bathroom you had to use the facilities in the funeral home. I'd find any excuse I could to go to the bathroom, then I'd take side trips and wander around the mortuary. <> <> <>It didn't scare you like the other kids? <>No, I loved it! I was real curious. I'd wander around the halls.... <> <><>Do you miss working in funeral homes? <>Yes, terribly! Even if I wasn't a necrophile, I like mortuary work. I enjoy embalming and everything. Except for obese people. The bodies I hated working on most were Obese people. 'Specially if they'd been autopsied. Their guts would slide out on the floor and shit ... and all this melty fat. Yeeeech! <> <><>You said something previously about "The Vampire Killer," Richard Trenton <> Chase. He was from Sacramento, wasn't he? <>Yeah, the second funeral home I worked for-- I wasn't working there at the time-- got the bodies of Chase's victims, a man and a woman and their child, so I hear the gory details of what the bodies looked like. They were really butchered. They were disemboweled with shit stuffed in their mouths. Chase started by killing animals and <> drinking their blood and when he wasn't satisfied with that he graduated to people. He killed this couple, then kidnapped their child, killed it and later threw it in a trash can. <> The mortician who embalmed the bodies said he hardly ever got queasy about anything, but he got sick when he saw those bodies! <> <> <>What's the weirdest case you ever encountered. <>Hmmm ... There was one kid who fell out of a car while his mother was making a turn and she managed to run over his head. Another kid choked to death on a cigarette wrapper. One guy committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a pellet rifle. He had to shoot himself several times and it took him a while to die, but he finally succeeded. There was another guy I worked on. He was a transvestite who somehow strangled himself with his nylons. I don't think it was intentional, I think he was trying to achieve heightened orgasm through strangulation and he ended up hanging himself. He wouldn't be the first to make that mistake. <> <> <>How about the most unusual funeral? <>One time this bunch of religious fanatics held a funeral for one of their members. They didn't want her embalmed, they just wanted her dressed and in the casket. We usually didn't do that, but we decided to be nice and put her up in the stateroom. We were standing outside of that stateroom and we heard someone saying, "Rise in the name of Jesus!" They were preying and slapping the body. They were talking in tongues. That was weird! <> <><>There seems to be a strong camaraderie between morticians. Almost like a secret society. <>Very much so. Morticians are very tight with each other because most people won't have anything to do with them. I used to find if I went to a party I'd always be introduced like, "This is Karen and she's a mortician." But they don't say, "Here's Karen-- she's a secretary," or "she's a veterinary assistant." A lot of people are under the misconception that morticians are very straight, very somber. If they ever went back into the prep room and heard all the jokes that are cracked it would blow that theory right out the window. <> <><>Did any of those morticians ever testify for or against you at the trial? <>One funeral director testified on behalf of funeral practices. He was asked how often necrophilia occurs. He said, "It's almost unheard of in this profession." <> <> <>That's a major lie! <>Yes, definitely ... necrophilia is more prevalent than most people imagine. Funeral homes just don't report it. There was one place that I broke into, and I know that they knew something was wrong. They actually caught me in the act and let me get away. At another place I was working, this guy came up to me and said, "Someone's been messin' with the body. It looks like they were trying to fuck the body!" I said, "Oh my goodness! Really?" I think they figured it out later. I know they know now. One mortician I worked with used to
like to a trocar [a
large hollow needle used to suction fluids from corpses] and push it up
inside any male cadaver's dick. He'd say, "Oh look, the corpse has got
a boner." This guy was really weird. He looked like Larry of the Three
Stooges. I think he had some necrophilic tendencies. He'd get real upset
<>You say
you were once caught in the act of necrophilia
once?
<>Yeah. I had tried to kill myself and was living in a halfway house a couple of blocks up from this funeral home. I decided to go to the mausoleum and try and kill myself again. The mausoleum had a door connecting it to the mortuary. I was sitting in there, real depressed, when, just for the hell of it, I decided to try running my driver's license along the edge of the door and click! the door popped open. I couldn't believe it, so I tried it again and the door popped open again! I went into the prep room and there happened to be a body in there. I had me some fun, did my thing and forgot all about killing myself. I told the folks at the halfway house that I stayed the night with friends. I went in there several times. Sometimes there were absolutely no bodies, so I turned around and snuck back out. I usually went in the back door. About a week later I snuck back into
the funeral home. I was
on the prep table having a good old time, when all of a sudden I felt
like there was somebody nearby. Next thing, I heard people walking down
the hallway. I quietly jumped off the table and threw the sheet back
over the body. My clothes were in quite a state of disarray, and
At the time I still had a friend who
worked at the funeral
home. He said, "Somebody broke into the funeral home. They know it was
you." They put in an alarm after that. I think they called the police,
but there were never any charges. I'm sure they didn't want the
publicity.
That was the last time I got very close, except for I've broken into a few tombs. <>Have you seen any changes in people's attitudes towards necrophilia?<>Yeah,
when I came out here I noticed it. It's almost a fad!
They're not really necrophiles, but pseudo-necrophiles. Like a death
cult! But there are probably a lot of people who would do it if they
had the opportunity.
Perhaps there is this vast network of necrophiles, who, for lack of a forum, will never know of each other's existence. Well, there's Leilah [Wendell's] group [American Association of Necrophilic Research and Enlightenment]. They try and get some information out about it. <>It must
be frustrating when people say, "we have to cure
you," or "you've got to be
more like us."
<>It is. For a while I found myself thinking, "Yeah, this isn't normal. Why can't I be like other people. Why doesn't the same pair of shoes fit me just right?" I went through all that personal hell and finally I accepted myself and realized that's just me. ThatUs my nature and I might as well enjoy it. I'm miserable when I try to be something I'm not. And too, a lot of these people who are putting me down have hang-ups worse than I have, or they do things that might be considered questionable by their peers. I had a gay friend who, when he found out I was a necrophile, said, "You can go to hell for that." After 1979, when I was put on probation, part of the probation requirement was <> that I seek therapy. I had a really nice social worker. She was cool. Very non-judgmental. The more I talked to these people, the more I realized necrophilia makes sense for me. The reason I was having a problem with it was because I couldn't accept myself. I was still trying to live my life by other peoples standards. To accept it was peace. These people who are always trying to change me only helped me get myself more in touch with my feelings. I used to go from the therapist's office to the funeral home. It didn't work, folks! <> As an
epilog to this interview, through a good friend who had a better than
20 year relationship with Greenlee I have been told that she lives a
very private life now, changed her name, and is a bit of a
recluse. While I have seen a private contemporary pic of her
(like many of us, she's gotten heavier with age) I have not seen any
pics of her in the public mediums unless there's something from the
press going back to when she was in the public eye and much thinner.
My site concentrates on the sexual fantasy of necrophilia but there is also a reality for some folks.. a way by which they carry their desires to reality. Obviously, the folks who can do that for the most part are those folks whose professions present themselves with having access to the dead. But when we get into real life sex with the dead there is another motivation beyond simply sexual lust or an extension of love and compassion... and that is a relief of emotional stress. Stories about what happens when a dead body is resting in a morgue are fairly common. While there is not a lot of true intercourse (unless you clean up after you run the risk of your 'evidence' being found) there is a fair amount of touchy-feely and with more than just the hands. Recently I was chatting with a morgue attendent from Texas. He told me of many bodies he has touched sexually... and many were young people from accidents, illnesses, or overdoses (compared to funeral homes who normally have older dead folks). He talked about deep kissing dead women... sucking and kissing breasts... fingering every oriface, etc. In another section of my site I make mention of an attendent who had his way with a deceased 17 year old cancer victim. The funeral home discovered what was left of her emaciated vagina was filled with semen and supposedly the mortician reported it to the law which resulted in simply the attendent loosing his job for fear of embarrassing the institution in a public police report. There was a woman attendent in Singapore who told of having had sex with three dead men before an associate discovered her at it one day. Oddly, he kept it quiet because he was doing the dead girls. I think logically we can make some
basic assumptions about
the emotional motivations at play in these kinds of death
encounters. While the average person in occupations with access
to the dead could indeed have some sexual preference for intimacy with
the dead there is also the issue of emotional stress entering in the
picture. This stress manifests itself as a result of seeing so
much death. After all, for most of us we can measure our basic
workday by how well we performed our job, relationships with others
during the day, social interactions, and other parameters that can put
us into various moods. People who are around death constantly are
performing jobs that essentially involve little or no social
interaction... often simply a one-on-one with a corpse. Add to
that the condition and ages of the dead, from horrific traffic
accidents to infant deaths, it's not too difficult imagining how the
mind could compensate for that.
Many of the stories I have heard from
morticians and others
who deal with death on a daily basis are more like necrophilic 'acts'
rather than a deeper desire or compulsion for satisfying a sexual need
within themselves. For example, I once chatted with a mortician
who operated a very prominant and successful funeral home in a rather
well-to-do community. He said his basic sexual fantasies centered
around mild bondage with his wife which she also enjoyed. But, he
admitted to having had many a sexual encounters over his career with
the dead that came across his table. To him it relieved boredom
and the stress of seeing all that misery and mutilation and dealing
with grieving relatives. He called it 'going on a date' (which I
have come to recognize is a common perception in the approach of sex
with the dead for those in the funeral industry). He would have
oral, anal, and vaginal sex during his dates. He told me of
having had a 'date' with a 25 year old secretary who had died of heart
failure... a 23 year old woman whose head was fairly mutilated in a
traffic accident yet her body was 'like that of a model'... and the
list goes on. One contact he had that kind of bothered him was
the accidental pool drowning of the 12 year old daughter of a family
friend. He said she was just absolutely stunning in her looks and
looked far older than her age. He went on a 'date' with her as
well. In fact, she was to be cremated, so that allowed for less
risk of any sex play being discovered later if the body is
exhumed. He said he enjoyed the closeness with her physically and
found it compelling that his semen was inside her all during the
wake. What bothered him was that he had no sexual interest in
'under-aged' corpses.. but in the end, the dead are dead.. regardless
of age.
I also chatted with a mortician's wife who also assisted in the family funeral business. She told me that hubby would have sex with various dead females... and she would engage in sex with dead guys, quite often. Sometimes hubby would help in 'stuffing' the appropriate part inside her for best penetration. Sucking on a dead penis was her affinity. She referred to the encounter as having a 'date'. When I inquired as to how busy they might be she said that business was constant and hubby was devoted to staying busy all the time. They seldom took time off or had vacations. Such is the funeral business... a 24/7 operation. So given that, it's no wonder tension and stress relief takes unconventional avenues. In reality her and hubby engaged in wild and fast sex with each other more along what their fantasies might be. Were these people necrophiliacs?
All a matter of
perspective I suppose, but their individual sexual preferences did not
include necro interests. One of the most compelling and
sensitive, and erotic stories I have heard first hand was from a
doctor.. an M.D. from out east who stumbled into my necro chat channel
on IRC one day. I mention elsewhere on my site that given the
proper circumstances I would challenge any guy not to touch in some
sexual way a beautiful dead female if he were left alone with
her. What this doc did is typical of what any male might do.
Later that evening as he was leaving the office he again saw her on the table and approached her. He described his overwhelming feeling of sadness and he began to touch her and caress her body in a kind of sympathetic way. Then the touching went to kissing.. he kissed her breasts.. lips... stroked her vaginal opening. Then he said he had sex with her dead body. He said he was so overcome with emotion.. and desire at her apparent beauty... and the waste of her death at so young an age. He described forcing her mouth open with his toungue to taste her tongue... nibbling at her nipples... licking her vaginal opening... he even inserted himself into her mouth. Eventually he orgasmed inside her dead, dry vagina. When he was done he washed her body down to remove any evidence of where he had been. But then guilt set in because he had never felt like this or done anything like this before. That's when he did the search on 'necrophilia' and we ended up meeting in a chat room. We chatted twice on two separate days... I told him I thought he was not a confirmed card-carrying necrophile but rather a normal male in his feelings and emotions... and that a situation presented itself that he felt compelled to act upon. He was not a necrophile at all... but what he did was a necrophilic act. After our second chat I've not seen or heard from him since. I assume he came to grips with what he did and moved on in life. Another aspect to the desire for necro activity is an intense curiosity about death. We all have it... yet sometimes those close to it act upon an emotion from time to time. I've chatted with a number of people.. males and females... who do not normally have access to the dead yet managed somehow to 'explore' their feelings with a dead person. Typically these are people, generally younger people, who might work part-time for a morgue or funeral home... then maybe share their experiences with a friend. One such case was a 19 year old female college student from out east. She told me a close male friend was working as a janitor in a local funeral home that doubled as a residence for the owners. He would tell her stories of a couple times doing the touchy-feely thing with the dead women... even kissing and breast nibbling. Well, she happened to mention to him about how it might feel to have sex with a dead guy... presumming the guy had something usable to have sex with. Sure enough, boyfriend called her one evening and said there was a dead guy with a reasonably sized penis. She told me that while her friend stood guard down the hall she climbed up on the table and rode that guy until she had one of the best orgasms in her life. This event repeated itself a couple days later. When we chatted she was confused about her feelings and the fact she found this so sexually arousing. She had some guilt as well. The second guy she 'did' was in his 30's.. auto accident victim leaving a wife and two kids. While her orgasm was intense with his dead body she couldn't help but wonder that maybe the guy had been loyal to his wife and she was a form of 'the other woman' somehow desecrating his loyalty to his wife. Yet his penis, even in it's flacid state, was fairly long and she enjoyed wondering how it must have felt to his wife when fully erect. There was another similar situation told to me by another girl from Oklahoma. She ended up getting a part time job at a rural funeral home doing some administrative work which gave her access at all times of day or night. She was 20 and told about a local guy she knew who died from cancer. She was alone with him one night as he was laid out on the table and she felt so sorry for him and her emotions took over. She ended up kissing him all over and doing him orally... graphically telling me how she managed to suck some fluid out of him and that made her orgasm. <>The
important thing here is to understand that a sexual
fantasy or a sexual reality can be spawned by a hidden sexual desire or
stimulated by other emotional elements such as stress that results in
single or composite acts outside the person's norm. It can also
be an extension of a simple curiosity about death. Morgue
attendents and morticians just happen to be at the forefront of having
access to the dead and ample opportunity to act on their emotional
impulses. But no one has to be a true necrophile to have
sex with the dead.
NECROPHILIA
This is the place you can get sources to fill up that bibliography page! Web Links
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/401/401lect13.htm
This link is a page from the site of North Carolina Weslyan College, School of Criminal Justice. Assistant Professor of Justice Studies, Dr. Tom O'Connor, has a rather large site concerning criminal studies and this link is from his lecture material that describes sexual sadism as a motivation for crime. (His source references are included in the Books section below)
http://www.corpus-delicti.com/sadistic_behavior.html
Also a source for serial killing crimes, this site is a forensic reference site called Knowledge Solutions. This link is a review of a book, Sadistic Behavor: A Literature Review, by Beaza and Brent.
http://www.westgatenecromantic.com
I included this link because my friend, Leilah Wendell, is noted as a consumate necrophile in the real world sense and is well-known for her books, interviews, and real life experiences with necrophilia and images of death. Her interest in necrophilia is unique as it encompasses a physical and spiritual relationship with the decomposed dead.
Reference Sources Dietz P., Hazelwood R, Warren J.,
(1996) "The Sexually Sadistic Serial Killer",
Journal of Forensic Sciences; 41(6): 970-974
Rosman, J. & P. Resnick (1989) "Sexual Attraction to Corpses: A Psychiatric Review of Necrophilia" Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law 17(2): 153-63. (For the complete report check Chapter 11A) Lane, B. & W. Gregg (1992) "The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers". NY: Berkley Books. Bradford J.M.W., Gratzer T., (1995) "Offender and Offense Characteristics of Sexual Sadists: A Comparative Study", Journal of forensic Sciences; 40(3): 450-455 Love, B. (1994) "Encyclopedia of Unusual Sex Practices". NY: Barricade Books. Dally, Dr. Peter (1975) "The Fantasy Game: How Male & Female Sexual Fantasies Affect Our Lives". NY: Stein & Day. Cossilin and Wilson.(1980). "Sexual Variations". New York: Simon and Schuster. Laws, D.R., W. O'Donohue, (1997) "Sexual Deviance: Theory, Assessment, and Treatment". NY, The Guilford Press D.M. Daily, (1988) "The Sexually Unusual: Guide To Helping And Understanding", NY, The Harrington Park Press L. Wendell, (2000) "Love Never Dies- The Journal of a Necrophile", New Orleans, The Westgate Press J. Harvey, (1965) "Confessions Of A Necrophile", New York, Dalhousie Press, Inc. (Note: This book is not in print nor likely to be in any library but the entire introduction by L. A. Lowag, PH.D. can be reviewed, along with the entire chapter one of the book on my site, HERE. Lowag's introduction contains some interesting opinions and conclusions regarding sexual deviations as they were viewed in the sexually repressed 50's and 60's.) |
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